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Hi [Aug. 28th, 2006|03:51 pm]
Interfaith art and crafts for religious purposes

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I just joined... I thought this place looked interesting. I was just wondering about rosaries... my future mom-in-law is catholic, and I wanted to make her one for christmas. Could someone show me how/ give tips? Thank you:P
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[User Picture]From: wasabi_poptart
2006-08-28 08:56 pm (UTC)
do you know how to bead?
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[User Picture]From: peanutbuster
2006-08-28 08:57 pm (UTC)
not from any book, just what I teach myself
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[User Picture]From: elettaria
2006-08-28 11:07 pm (UTC)
Beads from rose petals? I can't see a likelihood of my making rosaries coming up (I don't know anyone who uses them), but I'm fascinated to hear about this regardless.
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[User Picture]From: lysystratae
2006-08-29 02:06 am (UTC)
Hey, I'm not the only one who knows about that!

Wonderful beads, but takes an awful lot of roses...
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[User Picture]From: lysystratae
2006-08-29 05:56 pm (UTC)

Re: Rose petal beads

I've tried saving petals, but they always got moldy... I'll have to try the freezing idea, thanks!
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[User Picture]From: peanutbuster
2006-08-29 12:09 am (UTC)
Oh yes! Rosepetal beads would be perfect!
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[User Picture]From: lysystratae
2006-08-29 02:07 am (UTC)
I got some wonderful kits from www.rosaryshop.com :)
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[User Picture]From: elettaria
2006-08-29 02:24 am (UTC)
Is that what rose petal beads are? What a really lovely idea. I gather from all the rose metaphors used for Mary that I've come across in literature and music ("There is no rose of such vertu / As is the rose that bare Jesu" etc.) that roses are traditional symbols in Catholicism?
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[User Picture]From: lysystratae
2006-08-29 02:52 am (UTC)
No, the beads from rosaryshop.com are mostly wood or metal. I'm not really sure where the rose-Catholic connection came from, but I know the word 'rosary' came from the original beads used to make them (rose beads). I'd have to do a little searching (cuz I'm in the middle of moving) to get the measurements, but to make rose beads you basically chop rose petals, boil them in water that has iron nails in it to make a nice mush (kinda like the mush you make paper with, if you're familiar with that process at all), then form it into beads, string em and let them dry. The iron makes them turn black; when wearing them (or running them thru your hands while saying the rosary prayers), the heat from your skin releases the rose scent. I made a small batch of beads 3 years ago, and they still give off the rose scent whenever I wear the bracelet.
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[User Picture]From: elettaria
2006-08-29 11:02 am (UTC)
Rosaryshop.com are still doing a type of rose petal bead, but it doesn't sound as if it releases the scent since they're baked into clay beads. I like the idea of the scented ones, although I imagine that it must take an awful lot of roses, and it must be difficult since most commercially grown roses these days have practically no scent. My mother grows some old roses in her garden and they're a completely different animal.
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[User Picture]From: lysystratae
2006-08-29 01:14 pm (UTC)
It does take a huge amount of roses to make an entire rosary; if I remember right, it took about a dozen roses to make 6 beads (altho that would depend on the size of your beads)
I used a mix of store-bought and home-grown; you also need to make the beads about twice as large as you want them, because they shrink as they dry.
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[User Picture]From: christychristy
2006-08-29 01:53 pm (UTC)
Awesome! Thank you for the instructions. While I am not Catholic, I'd love to try this.
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[User Picture]From: lysystratae
2006-08-29 05:54 pm (UTC)
If I happen to come across the measurements, I'll post them, too.

I'm only barely catholic - I was christened, but other than weddings and funerals I haven't been in a catholic church since... what my friends call a 'hatch, match and dispatch' catholic, lol. They'd probably excommunicate me for my pagan leanings if I ever went to confession anyway... :)
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[User Picture]From: christychristy
2006-08-29 05:59 pm (UTC)
Thanks. You know... I feel like I've met quite a few women who fit that description-- sorta Catholic, but with Pagan leanings. It is interesting how those paths blend! :)
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[User Picture]From: napoleonofnerds
2006-08-29 08:08 pm (UTC)
Catholicism is the most pagan you can be while maintaining membership in a mainstream religious body, so it isn't surprising that some people take to paganism after they give up on the Church.
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[User Picture]From: christychristy
2006-08-30 02:06 pm (UTC)
Pagan in what sense? I guess I'd say: the importance of Mary (giving her a goddess-like position), an abundance of saints for specific things (kind of reminicent of polytheism) and the "magic" of transubstantiation...
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[User Picture]From: napoleonofnerds
2006-08-30 02:22 pm (UTC)
Transubstantiation is a miracle, it isn't magic, but between the saints, the statues, the medals, and all the other optional portions of the faith if you aren't well informed it's eary to become confused.
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[User Picture]From: christychristy
2006-08-30 02:50 pm (UTC)
Seems like transubstantion as miracle rather than magic is (along with the other things you mentioned) is a distinction that can become somewhat muddled. So yes, I agree and have certainly seen that view reflected before.
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[User Picture]From: lysystratae
2006-08-29 09:04 pm (UTC)
How many of em are Irish Catholic? cuz I've got a theory about that, lol...
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[User Picture]From: christychristy
2006-08-30 02:02 pm (UTC)
Some Irish, but some Italian too. What's the theory?
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[User Picture]From: lysystratae
2006-08-30 03:12 pm (UTC)
The Irish never really left their pagan roots; most of them still believe in some form of fairy folk, and I haven't met one yet who doesn't believe in ghosts (including my heavily-practicing Catholic aunts and their priest). Makes it easier to meld the two :)
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[User Picture]From: napoleonofnerds
2006-08-29 05:13 am (UTC)
Rosary comes from the latin word Rosarium, which literally means "crown of roses." In the traditional (if...fanciful) stories of the start of the rosary and the Franciscan Crown (a longer version) both involve the vision of a crown of roses. Mary became more and more associated with the flower until you got the imagery you reference. The story of the Virgin of Guadalupe involves the miraculous appearance of Castillian Roses.

Although for a whole different set of reasons roses are associated the seal of the confessional as well.

So the short answer is yes, the Church has rose symbolism all over the place.
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[User Picture]From: zyphane
2006-08-29 01:58 pm (UTC)
Rosary Army has instruction for making an all-twine knotted rosary.
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[User Picture]From: garpu
2006-08-30 06:31 pm (UTC)
The directions at Our Lady's Rosary Makers are the clearest I've ever seen. You can also get everything you need from them, and they're on the up-and-up, unlike some places.
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[User Picture]From: napoleonofnerds
2006-08-30 07:29 pm (UTC)
I looked for that link and couldn't find it. Thanks Garpu.
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[User Picture]From: garpu
2006-08-30 07:33 pm (UTC)
It's on the site.
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[User Picture]From: napoleonofnerds
2006-08-30 07:46 pm (UTC)
The name of which I forgot.
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